[zephyri]

Hi all, I'm a long time Intuos tablet user, and recently made the leap to the cintiq, in the form of the 12" WX, and have sadly had to return it only a few days after purchasing it, hugely disappointed with its viewing angles and colour accuracy. After a lot of research and trying multiple calibration techniques and profiles, I couldn't get it to match my regular monitors (a samsung 24 and an Apple 20") - the whole screen just seemed incapable of displaying anything in the saturated spectrum, and the 1200 x 800 resolution just wasn't cutting it when I'm used to an A4 intous and a 24" screen!

Not wanting to simply leap blindly into an upgrade to the tune of £2000, I was wondering if anyone out there has one of the new 24" cintiqs, and whether they had any experience with how colour accurate it is? Colour accuracy is fundamental to the kind of work I do (doing pieces like this, where being able to see subtle hue and tone shifts in dark grey: Behold the Nightmare ) I realise that you can never calibrate for every monitor, but I'd at least want to be able to calibrate a cintiq to be close to what I'm seeing on my own monitors, which the 12WX simply couldn't do.

Any other thoughts on owning a 24" Cintiq would also be super appreciated, negative or positive. I'm aware of the ArtPen issues, but that won't be an issue, as I don't have one!

[Zentrope]

With all Cintiqs, calibration is the key issue.
The cursor is a few millimetres below where the pen hits the glass, so the user has to calibrate the cursor to match up with their line of sight.


All previous Cintiqs models had tough plastic screens but
current Cintiqs 24hd have a glass screen with an anti-glare coating. This coating will wear off with pen scratching, dirt and grease with sweat getting between the screen.

A thinner distance between glass and surface(makes 24Hd better) with other numerous professional color management solution that can solve this issue of color calibration.

You will miss some rotation features in comparison with 21inch Cintiq but You can use the Rotate option in the PS and Painter now!

I found the color gamut to be good, not as wide as recent monitors from Eizo, Lacie or Nec, anyway I would not call it Dumb as well!
It got almost the AdobeRGB color space(92%) but It's about what hardware and software you are using to calibrate?
What monitor are you comparing the Cintiq 24HD to?

If it's your Samsung and Apple then think again...

H-IPS panel 1920 x 1200 resolution, 550:1 contrast, 178 degree viewing angle, 92 percent of Adobe RGB makes it Good in comparison with your monitors!

I am very confident that your monitors will not be having a higher resolution than the Cintiq 24Hd and they will be based on the TN panel...Which makes it inferior to the Cintiq 24HD! (Don't kill me if i Compared your Deary monitor and called it Inferior )

Also Some people prefer a 2nd monitor to work with... which makes Cintiq not a very good option for me!

So what' the Conclusion....

If you are rich and have enough money...go and buy the Cintiq and gift one to me too!

Or just stick with Intuos and spend some money on some good monitor and save 1500$ and wait for the next good thing...

Any other question just ask!

[PhongNguyen]

Sorry to resurrect a one year old thread but I'm in the market for a cintiq 24hd as well. I wish I could give me a trial run in person but seems like the only way to buy one is online.

I'd really like to know how the 24HD fare with the better monitors from dell (2713H, 2711, etc...) since that would be my other option: to get a dell monitor and stick to intuos for now.

Some people say for works that aren't going to be reproduced in print, accurate colors are useless since most people who view the art won't have calibrated monitor. But dropping 2.5k on a product knowing that the display is not top of the line is pretty damnation


Zentrope, you say the antiglare coating will wear off over time. Isn't the AG coating located under the glass? I'm more interested in removing it since I'm purchasing it for home use under low light condition so the AG coating is useless to me.

[Zentrope]

I'd really like to know how the 24HD fare with the better monitors from dell (2713H, 2711, etc...) since that would be my other option: to get a dell monitor and stick to intuos for now.

Actually better in most comparisons because the latest Dell offering suck in all the aspects.The older Dell U2710 is still better than the newer ones like 2713H etc..

Some people say for works that aren't going to be reproduced in print, accurate colors are useless since most people who view the art won't have calibrated monitor. But dropping 2.5k on a product knowing that the display is not top of the line is pretty damnation

To some extent it's right. Actually most TN panels represent colors using only six bits per RGB color or 18 bit in total, and are unable to display the 16.7 million color shades (24-bit truecolor) that are available from graphics cards.

But still they were sold with the above information

Our devices are not capable enough in handling color information in comparison to printing...And simple calibration can be
easily done with some simple settings in OCD menus.

IT's all about usage!!
I compared the Cintiq with Eizo, Lacie in my first post and they don't come cheap because people who buy Eizo also buy a complementary "Ferrari" to go by!

Zentrope, you say the antiglare coating will wear off over time. Isn't the AG coating located under the glass? I'm more interested in removing it since I'm purchasing it for home use under low light condition so the AG coating is useless to me.

Everything that you play around will eventually break and more you play the faster it deteriorate..
Most Displays now come with Anti-Glare coating and they don't wear-off easily because we don't smudge them or scribble with a pen on them.

AG Coating is a Coat on the panel...A thin Film kind of coat!

You can remove the Anti-Glare coating but It will VOID YOUR WARRANTY and you wouldn't like that if you are paying a hefty sum

Just take a look at this Removing an Anti-Glare coating


And before buying you could try it out at a Wacom's Showroom or a Booth at any popular tech submit/Show!!

[PhongNguyen]

I wish I could find a place within driving distance to try out it, but I'm in Dallas, TX and there is nothing nearby.

Why do you say the 2710 is better than the 2713h? From what I know, they have improved a lot on the 2713H, including a thinner coating of AG that doesn't have that sparkle.


Do you think using the 24HD as your main monitor will shorten its lifespan considerably? It's too big of a monstrosity to be pushed aside so it's just gonna sit front and center on my desk.

[Zentrope]

Okay..U2713H! Don't confuse it with the lesser specced model U2713HM.(Which I actually did)

Straight out of the box it doesn't look like a significant performance upgrade from the U2711(not 2710 -sorry), but now they have more hardware calibration options and USB 3.0 and better OCD's!

Unlike the U2711, the U2713HM houses an LED backlight and uses an AH-IPS panel as opposed to the H-IPS panel the U2711 utilized. AH-IPS panels are a fairly new panel standard that purportedly provides high color accuracy while delivering lower power consumption..But that's not true with most panels!

The U2711 has a higher color depth than the U2713HM (8-bit versus 16-bit) with a wider color gamut (102 percent NTSC versus the U2713HM's 72 percent). The U2711 also includes an Adobe RGB calibrated preset, while the U2713HM only goes up to sRGB.

You can take a look at both of them and then decide!!

My friend usually uses his old Cintiq 21 and 24Hd regularly for about 15 hours per day and He never complains about it..(BTW...He is Rich)!

If I am in your position then I might as well go with Intuos and a good monitor (which I actually have with a portable Bamboo in my bag-pack)

Other monitor I would highly recommend is as follows:-
-Apple Thunderbolt displays (One of the Best in and around $1000)
-U2713H (because it's newer than U2711)
-Asus Pro Art series
-Samsung Pro Series(970,850,etc)

[PhongNguyen]

Cool thx!

Yeah I was mainly comparing the 2711 to the 2713H. I know the 2713HM is the lower quality version.

[freebrushes]

very nice. thanks you

[Bonino]

I actually got the money to buy a Cintiq 24 HD. Been saving for some time now. But now that I'm about to buy it, a small "voice" in my head keep telling me that I'm not good enough to own a Cintiq. That I should be a professional before investing in such a tool. Would you agree with the rather antagonistic voice in my head? I've been using a intious 4 for almost 2 years now. But I've always struggled to some degree with hand-eye coordination, so my workflow is rather slow because of it. I think a cintiq would make me faster, more precise and more efficient, and a result of that would be to learn and improve faster. I'm far away from being a professional artist, but my goal is to become one. And every day I work towards that goal, So should I just invest in a cintiq now that I got the money? Then at least the hardware won't hold me back (as much I guess).

Thanks!

[Zentrope]

The main problem is with the hand-eye coordination...Right??

So you can start with something like a Cintiq 13HD which is actually cheaper than it's 24inch counter parts and have the same functionality but without the real estate!
But It would not matter that much here because it's just slightly bigger than the Intuos medium.(Sufficient space for many)

If you improve, buy a bigger one later.
Thus saving a lot of money along with less of risk!

[Bonino]

Thanks for the quick response!
Yeah, the main problem is hand-eye coordination, but a bigger surface to draw on would also be nice. So I'm not really sure about the 13HD, it would be a downgrade when it comes to size compared to my Intious 4 large. I used a Bamboo medium earlier, and that got too small for me. I could get a Cintiq 22HD, but then I feel like I could just go the whole way and get a 24HD as I already got the money. Desk space is not really a problem either.

I'll keep what you said in mind though, and give it a bit more thought.
Thanks for taking the time to respond!